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November 25, 2011


Julie Aylward

Thank you Andy: helpful and provocative - just what is needed at the moment.

Andrew Mumford

Although not directly involved in the way some are, I found what you have written interesting and helpful Andy (given my current studies:just reached that place in Ian Randall's book!).Its certainly all a concern.

Keith G Jones

Andy, thanks for this. On a historical note the Senior Management Team (SMT) was established by David Coffey and myself in the early 1990's as there was a comment from some that Departmental heads only met infrequently and that did not lead to joined up thinking in the Union. So we established a regular Friday am meeting to ensure internal staff strategy was coherent. It was always intended as an internal management meeting, with monthly meetings of all the managers. This is not a recent development, but now has 20 years of history. If it is changing roles, well, that's another point, but the first purpose was to do with coordination and information which some beyond Baptist house saw as lacking in the past.


Thanks Andy, this is a very well written post. Your comments on the Assembly and theology of ministry are very astute.

In answer to your question "Have these three groupings become a Council within the Baptist Union Council?" Yes!

Here are some more key questions: How are the BUGB Trustees and managers held to account? Is the Ministerial Recognition Committee be fully independent of Trustee control? What objective standards are BUGB employed ministers held to? Does BUGB have a written complaints procedure? Does BUGB have a clear bullying policy? What legal protection is offered to Baptist Ministers? How much is BUGB spending on legal advice?

James Richard Scott

Some interesting thoughts here but in practice very few church members give much thought to the BU, its operation and how it affects individual churches. Similarly few members attend the Assembly. Members are busy doing their own thing, running their church and providing outreach to the local community. This may be a sign of the times we live in. Perhaps older Christians are keen to be identified as a member of a Baptist Church but younger Christians possibly have less allegiance to a particular denomination.

The Leveller


Thought provoking stuff. My concern with the review is that it is being undertaken by the very people who have brought us to this point. It's not the way it would be done elsewhere as it retains the benefits and blessings but also the drawbacks and prejudices of the exisitng structure and personnel.

As regards the BU Council's decision to apologise for the slave trade, I was one who questioned their ability to apologise for the actions of past individuals. Expressions of regret and a desire to be different now are certainly apposite but you cannot really apologise on behalf of another.

The whole idea of this kind of action does not go far enough: the Council should now seek to right the wrongs and express the regret for the things it condoned or participated in on its doorstep. The treatment of unmarried mothers (until recent years) and the constant focus away from the issues of poverty and the "working classes" in the UK.

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