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February 08, 2005

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mark

Thanks for that Andy, there's been some good stuff on your blog the last few days; i've been away for a while so i'm just trying to catch up on it.

I particularly liked the thoughts at the end about the boundaries being suffused with welcome and protection not exclusion. I'm all for 'church membership' that look like that. We can easily turn it into a load of hoops to jump through and codes to conform to. I suspect that it is that kind of approach that turns people off rather than a complete rejection of commitment or membership.

andy goodliff

Thanks Mark - the boundaries stuff is really interesting me at the moment, motivated partly by conversations at YLF on how we distinguish belonging. I'd be interested in your reflections on membership and baptist churches.

andy goodliff

Actually - let me also recommend brian walsh to you - i've got a link to his stuff published on the web and his book colossians re:mixed written with wife Sylvia Keesmat is brilliant too!

-ash

This sounds like a fantastic paper! This has certainly gone a long way toward answering a lot of my concerns on your earlier entries on membership. It's also well written, as I had just begun to draw the same conclusions as the quotes when they popped up explicitly. Which is always encouraging... if slightly annoying that one isn't all that original!

The analogy with Home is a powerful one. I've always thought my home wasn't very welcoming because it's all a bit stuck in it's ways. But someone said to me recently just how content they feel here. Which I found rather confusing, and we talked about that, but that's another story.

You're right in a way... a clearly defined place that you are proud of and is a place that is important to you and an expression of you... these can be quite private. It is, therefore, all the more powerful to be invited in and made to feel welcome in someone's house. There are houses that can have the feeling of "transience" described here, that anyone could walk in and "make themselves at home" but not feel particularly welcome. And there are places which you know are a person's sanctuary to express themselves; and you feel even more welcome in such places oftentimes.

Yes I think this is a fantastic analogy.

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